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Rynling R&D ([personal profile] rynling) wrote2016-10-06 09:35 am
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On Your Social Media Documenting Your Uncivil Society

As I continue to reblog cute pictures and post fluffy shipfic on Tumblr, I continue to be tagged on reblogs of social justice call-out posts. As far as I can tell, I'm being targeted because of a pseudo-literary reading of Ganondorf's villain monologue at the end of The Wind Waker (link), which is a fairly lazy piece of writing but for some reason got a decent number of notes when I posted it back in March.

I was doing a lot of "volunteer activism" at the time - one of my lawyer friends dragged me along to babysit people's children while she did pro bono legal advocacy for people whose relatives had been imprisoned during the recent riots in Baltimore - and a relatively minor but still important part of my motivation for posting the piece was that my experiences had made me sick and damn tired of seeing Ganondorf being portrayed as "evil angry barbaric Oriental other." Ironically, I'm now being accused of perpetuating neoliberal and neocolonialist ideology, ie, "black people always want white people's shit."

It's complicated, and I'm willing to acknowledge the validity of multiple points of view. What I am not willing to acknowledge is the condescending and counterproductive assumption that I am ignorant and need to be educated, especially not at the rudimentary "Intersectional Feminism 101" level at which Tumblr seems to operate (probably because a majority of its most active users are in fact college students).

As Angela Davis has written, "Whenever you conceptualize social justice struggles, you will always defeat your own purposes if you cannot imagine the people around whom you are struggling as equal partners."

I am going to get that quote tattooed on my palm; and, the next time someone sends me an off-anon message to inform me that I am a bigoted cunt and should commit suicide immediately, I will tell them to talk to my hand. Or to read Women, Race, & Class for a more informed and nuanced (and still gut-wrenchingly relevant, even thirty fucking years later) view of how to handle intersectionality, either way is good.

I would consider closing my ask box entirely, but I get a lot of sweet messages from friendly strangers and adorable anons. Also, I want to continue to document the "anti" "aggro" "discourse" on Tumblr, which I think is an extremely interesting subcultural movement. I've been having almost daily conversations with a professional cultural anthropologist friend of mine about the recent drama in the BBC Sherlock fandom, and the two of us are thinking of putting together an actual academic paper about Tumblr-based fandom wank. We have both seen our fair share of epic wank sagas since the early 2000s, but we both agree that the wank on Tumblr is really... special.
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[personal profile] sarasa_cat 2016-10-06 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Talked about that A LOT, eh?! ;)

If one could show that this hypothesis is supported by evidence rather than refuted, I am more than willing to say that the Stuff(tm) happening on tumblr really isn't fanwank at all but, instead, that it is yet another front of the much larger culture battle is being played out across America and the geocultural Western world. And I suspect you and your anth friend have already thought this?

As for the "single broad brush and fresh and cleansed coat of paint" comment, if we assume that white-on-white policing is what all this is primarily about, clearly the Solution(tm) is as simple as woke white folk enlightening everyone on how to properly behave. [/insert dramatically winking emoticon]

Because who owns that discourse?

...

Tumblr tags: staking out ownership of one's words?
Tumblr body comments: stepped on the soap box while everyone captures videos of it?

I have more to say about this at another time (another place) but now I am so late on my lunch break -- really late.
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[personal profile] sarasa_cat 2016-10-08 09:18 am (UTC)(link)
Interesting. Thanks for taking the time to type this up.

Yes, this would flirt with opening pandora's box regarding research ethics. That aside:

...many of the victims of fandom bullying who have spoken up on Tumblr and through meta posts on AO3 have self-identified as POC, attesting that the color of their skin has had a direct bearing on their experiences with sexual assault.

A sample size like this proves nothing, of course, but if nothing else we can say that "anti" "discourse" negatively impacts plenty of people who aren't white or American, even if race and nationality are not explicit elements of the flamewars that the Sherlock fandom has suffered from over the past year and a half.


Well, one good thing about a case study is that eventually enough case studies exist for someone to perform a cross-case analysis.

FWIW, it parallels things I have seen and experienced in other fandoms, but only recently -- only over the past 5 or 6 years. A reflection of how polarized the world has become as of late?

Your "fuck the system" vs "fuck you" dichotomy: In the back of my brain I have been chewing on these two paragraphs on and off for hours while going about other things. For the past few years I have had parallel thoughts but my framing, perhaps, comes at the same thing from a different direction. The Internet of Other makes difference visible and, potentially, it makes disunity visible. While some people find this public discussion enlightening (for instance, your experiences while lurk-reading aspie and spoonie posts), other people find this public display of difference as evidence of disunity which, in turn, causes personal discomfort. Reactionary campaigns on tumblr often (at least to me) feel like discomforted people steamrolling the issue by imposing a simple/simplistic broad-brush "solution" for reestablishing equilibrium, comfort, and normative behavior & language. The Internet of Other is saying "are experiences are different" and the Reactionaries are trying to "fix" things to erase the discomfort of difference or to define the rules of behavior such that difference isn't a problem (from their pov). And, from what I have seen, so much of this comes from the Reactionaries deep seated social anxiety when not knowing how to act because they fear offending People of Other or being called out for doing/saying the wrong thing. So, either "solve" the problem by taking control over defining the rules of conduct or "solve the problem by discrediting the Other completely.

At least, this is what I repeatedly see from my seat in the stadium.

Sorry for the long and disjointed response. If you've managed to read this whole mess - thank you!

I read it all, twice. Sometimes a good ramble is what one needs to put thoughts together. :D
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Still chewing on your ramble

[personal profile] sarasa_cat 2016-10-09 09:49 pm (UTC)(link)
My anth buddy's suspicion is that this "constant attack" mode of discourse requires an enormous amount of emotional energy, and the people who posses the resources to engage in it are people who are speaking from a position of privilege, wherever that position may fall in the kyriarchy.

This line jumped out at me on friday and repeatedly tickled the back of my brain. Something about it completely jives yet doesn't quite jive with my experiences. It hinges on how how one places meaning on the phrase "position of privilege."

Are folks who disrupt* fandom activities in constant attack mode or are they in constant defense mode and how do we tell they two apart? People whom I have seen in fandom who engage in constant defense mode are not speaking from a position of privs (but saying more isn't ethnically appropriate as a public comment over here).

That said, significant emotional energy is required which only means that their mental model of a cost-benefit analysis of the situation either favors disruptive behavior or disruptive behavior is the primary strategy they know to be effective. In the second case I would doubt disruptors are speaking from a place of priv b/c disruptive behavior is often a last resort tactic when no other successful tools/options exist (and when I think of disruptors in a fandom I am in, a number appear to fall into this category). Basically, disruption is a learned behavior despite it being a last resort tool because lack of privs in the greater world have taught this learned behavior. As for the first idea -- that their mental model of a cost-benefit analysis favoring disruption -- this is different from disruption being a tool of last resort (albeit a learned behavior) and is more likely to be coming from a place of middle-of-the-pack privileges because this reads as a strategic campaign to defend boundaries.

[* I use "disrupt" and "disruptive behavior" rather than "troll" and "trolling" because it isn't clear to me that people in fandom are intentionally shit-stirring for lulz (aka, trolling) and, in fact, many of the people who are doing disruptive things have valid points about classism, ablism, **-phobias, certain brands of feminism, orientalism, etc. Although it is true that some of these cases are a bit ... "Discoursish."]
Edited 2016-10-09 21:51 (UTC)
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Re: Still chewing on your ramble

[personal profile] sarasa_cat 2016-10-10 02:16 am (UTC)(link)
Right. You're talking about death threats, rape threats, doxing, "go kill yourself" messages, and other similar tactics. That is no longer merely being disruptive. Those behaviors unquestionably cross the line and are definitely trolling of the worst kind.

Thanks for the ref to Whitney Phillips' monograph. ps: my credit card says "hello." ;)

I scanned the monograph's ToC while nodding vigorously at how she breaks down the history into three periods with the years (2003-07, 2008-11, 2012-present) as it maps closely to my pet historical theories/explanations so now I am curious to read it to see how Phillips' ideas intersect with other ideas.

All that said, I am still on the fence regarding whether all people who engage in this definition of trolling are in attack mode or if some are in a highly vitriolic defense mode, and if that distinction can be drawn based on how their perceive their situation. And just because someone is psychologically in defense mode does not mean that their actions are justified, so I make this distinction purely to understand why they are motivated and **not** to justify or excuse their actions.

...and now I need to wait until Wednesday for that amazon package to arrive.


Edited to add: just started reading a review of Phillips' monograph and the reviewer says that Phillips makes the distinction between online bullying vs “the self-identifying, subcultural troll." So, using Phillips' definition (second hand here) I completely agree with you that she is talking about trolling as an attack mode subculture.

So, I will restate what I said above to adopt this use of language: there are people who are engaging in defense-mode cyberbullying and people engaging in attack mode trolling / cyberbullying. When the defense-mode cyberbullying escalates, it appears identical to the tactics used by trolls.
Edited (Sorry for the extra edit -- need to add another thought) 2016-10-10 02:25 (UTC)
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[personal profile] sarasa_cat 2016-10-06 09:04 pm (UTC)(link)
If not obvious, by larger cultural battle I mean how the west is partying like it is 1939 all while the
US grapples with partying like 1860s vs the failure(?) of white notions of liberalism/progressivism which is a whole topic of its own that creates much SJ vs intersectional discomfort.
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[personal profile] sarasa_cat 2016-10-07 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I have been on a news diet since June that included multiple 2-3 week news fasts. And this is coming off of a prior life where news intake was 2-5 hrs per day and, at certain points in time, also part of my job.

Wondering if it is possible to build lots of pillow forts as places of sanctuary all over the world. ._.

DAI: hm, not really. The main plot is just a big standard fight against the Big Bad Evil who wants to destroy the world. Very heroic. DA2 was far more dystopian.

As for JRPGs, what are your thoughts on FFXII's handling of a politically motivated story?
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[personal profile] sarasa_cat 2016-10-07 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
You'll get back to me in 2 years?!?!? Hahaahah! I will hold you to that. ;D

(Honestly, I can talk about Ffxii's story decisions for hours.)

I'll get back to your other comment when my weekend starts. :)